Newborn megaDRUM, a video, some pics and some thoughts

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Newborn megaDRUM, a video, some pics and some thoughts

Postby el-dr » Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:18 pm

I know this probably shouldn't have been posted to the HW forum, but it's is neither "Software" related nor "Off Topic", not to mention the "Language specific" category... (Dmitri will probably move it wherever he wants to...)
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So, I finished building my (first) MD. Everything went relatively smoothly -with the exception of some stupid questions I had to ask, which were all replied by Dmitri and Synthex in no time, (most companies could be very happy with this level of support).

My setup:
As I wrote it in a private email to Dmitri earlier, I owned most trigger-to-MIDI converters (from Casio, Roland, Yamaha, Alesis and Clavia) in the last 20 years and found it really strange that their evolution seems have got stuck in the early 90's, which is why I'm still using 2 Yamaha DTS70's from 1992 (cost me 1200 USD each). It offers the most comprehensive control set over the triggering characteristics, but it takes 2U rack space and it has only 12 inputs. When I wanted to reduce the size of my digital gear MD seemed like the only choice to replace the Yamahas.

Today I only use acoustic drums for acoustic drum sounds, but all of them are triggered for digital sounds and there are a lot of additional drumpads in the kit, too. The link below shows my first performance on MD. (I had a trusted old Yamaha in the rack as a backup just in case, but nothing went wrong with the MD, so I didn't need it). Otherwise this setup is the old one, where all seven drums are triggered with Roland RT-3T triggers (the only ones that don't touch the drumheads at all) and I have a Hansen Fütz pedal, a Dauz Triple 6 set, a 10" self-made pad and an old Roland SPD-11 (for triggering external sounds only).
The project that I'm working on requires much more electronic sounds, so the new setup will have 21 more pads than the old one on the video by the addition of 2 Alesis Control Pads, 3 Dauz Rim Mount Pads and 2 Millenium cymbal pads. The core drumkit will be a Yamaha Recording Custom, so I can replace the Roland triggers with the B-Band UKKO (it was not possible to mount them on the Peavey Radial Pro 1000 kit on the video), which will be used as both drum mics and triggers (through the mixer channel inserts). It's nearly completely done now, I'll post some pics and more videos on this new kit soon.

My first MD video:
This little solo was taken from a gig with my band, The 9:30 Collective. All sounds are triggered in real time, no sequencer or pre-recorded loops were used.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WdMSnWhppk


My MD:
Because I'll use most inputs to connect individual pads, I didn't use any TRS jack sockets, all of them are TS ones (except the HH input, of course). It was one of the main challanges to find enough space for all these sockets on the back of a 1U rack house (It got even more congested this morning, because I put a Hi/Lo selector switch next to the HH input, but this picture was taken earlier):
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I guess it's not surprising what's inside:
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And the front panel:
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I attached a zip file with the front panel design in Corel v11 and Adobe Illustrator v5 format, it can be used as a starting point and freely modified in case if any of you likes the layout:
Front-Panel-Graphics.zip


My wishes:
If I could ask for one feature only, it would definitely be that the selection of DrumMaps could be remotely controlled by program change messages. (I might be wrong but I couldn't find any indication that it can). In my old setup I use a MIDI pedal board to change between setups and this controls everything: trigger-to-MIDI converter, sampler, mixer and fx settings. It is the ONLY convenient way to change the triggering setup during a song, which I do need sometimes, but even between the songs there are so many things to handle, so it would be great to forget about MD and do everything from one command center. What makes this even more desirable is that the MD display would normally placed out of sight. I'd be willing to spend some on a new firmware that makes this possible. Dmitri?

Conclusion:
Apart from this, MD is a great project that fills a niche and I think it's a pity that Dmitri has no intention to turn it into a commercially available off-the-shelf product. I appreciate his views on giving people the opportunity to "to create" themselves, but I wish I could have spent all these long hours of drawing, drilling, filing and soldering on practicing and composing instead , which is no less creative I guess :)

Thanks for the support,

Endre Huszar
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Re: Newborn megaDRUM, a video, some pics and some thoughts

Postby NovaKaine » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:48 pm

Wow :D
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Re: Newborn megaDRUM, a video, some pics and some thoughts

Postby dmitri » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:20 pm

el-dr wrote:My wishes:
If I could ask for one feature only, it would definitely be that the selection of DrumMaps could be remotely controlled by program change messages. (I might be wrong but I couldn't find any indication that it can). In my old setup I use a MIDI pedal board to change between setups and this controls everything: trigger-to-MIDI converter, sampler, mixer and fx settings. It is the ONLY convenient way to change the triggering setup during a song, which I do need sometimes, but even between the songs there are so many things to handle, so it would be great to forget about MD and do everything from one command center. What makes this even more desirable is that the MD display would normally placed out of sight. I'd be willing to spend some on a new firmware that makes this possible. Dmitri?

To make sure I understand it right. You want to be able to switch drum maps/configs by sending Program Change MIDI messages to MegaDrum. Am I right?
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Re: Newborn megaDRUM, a video, some pics and some thoughts

Postby dmitri » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:39 pm

Oh, and I forgot. Many thanks for the video!
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Re: Newborn megaDRUM, a video, some pics and some thoughts

Postby el-dr » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:48 pm

dmitri wrote:
el-dr wrote:My wishes:
If I could ask for one feature only, it would definitely be that the selection of DrumMaps could be remotely controlled by program change messages. (I might be wrong but I couldn't find any indication that it can). In my old setup I use a MIDI pedal board to change between setups and this controls everything: trigger-to-MIDI converter, sampler, mixer and fx settings. It is the ONLY convenient way to change the triggering setup during a song, which I do need sometimes, but even between the songs there are so many things to handle, so it would be great to forget about MD and do everything from one command center. What makes this even more desirable is that the MD display would normally placed out of sight. I'd be willing to spend some on a new firmware that makes this possible. Dmitri?

To make sure I understand it right. You want to be able to switch drum maps/configs by sending Program Change MIDI messages to MegaDrum. Am I right?


Exactly. Changing configs by PCs is not so important (it could be useful, though), but remote changing the drum maps by sending PCs to MD would be absolutely great. Very often I use multiple drum maps within a tune. Most importantly not because 40 playing surfaces are not enough, but because I don't just trigger sound samples with the pads. I also have some "standard commands" assigned to different MIDI notes as well (like sequencer transport controls start-stop/continue, muting/soloing mixer channels etc.) This means that I hit a specific pad to solo a sequencer track, another one for playing a loop etc., but between these actions the same pads are used as normal drum pads to play sounds. I switch back and forth between the setups by a MIDI foot controller (a Behringer FCB1010).

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Re: Newborn megaDRUM, a video, some pics and some thoughts

Postby el-dr » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:51 pm

dmitri wrote:Oh, and I forgot. Many thanks for the video!


I'm hoping to be able to post some more soon with my new setup, which is a real monster in terms of electronic drumming :D

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Re: Newborn megaDRUM, a video, some pics and some thoughts

Postby dmitri » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:53 pm

el-dr wrote:Exactly. Changing configs by PCs is not so important (it could be useful, though), but remote changing the drum maps by sending PCs to MD would be absolutely great. Very often I use multiple drum maps within a tune. Most importantly not because 40 playing surfaces are not enough, but because I don't just trigger sound samples with the pads. I also have some "standard commands" assigned to different MIDI notes as well (like sequencer transport controls start-stop/continue, muting/soloing mixer channels etc.) This means that I hit a specific pad to solo a sequencer track, another one for playing a loop etc., but between these actions the same pads are used as normal drum pads to play sounds. I switch back and forth between the setups by a MIDI foot controller (a Behringer FCB1010).

In this case I think it could be easily done and I'll probably add this functionality in the next firmware version.
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Re: Newborn megaDRUM, a video, some pics and some thoughts

Postby dmitri » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:55 pm

el-dr wrote:
dmitri wrote:Oh, and I forgot. Many thanks for the video!

I'm hoping to be able to post some more soon with my new setup, which is a real monster in terms of electronic drumming :D

Can I use this video as an example of MegaDrum in action?
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Re: Newborn megaDRUM, a video, some pics and some thoughts

Postby el-dr » Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:04 pm

dmitri wrote:
el-dr wrote:
dmitri wrote:Oh, and I forgot. Many thanks for the video!

I'm hoping to be able to post some more soon with my new setup, which is a real monster in terms of electronic drumming :D

Can I use this video as an example of MegaDrum in action?


Sure you can. ... Uhmmm, wait a minute... How about this deal? My permission for a firmware update? :lol:

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Re: Newborn megaDRUM, a video, some pics and some thoughts

Postby dmitri » Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:52 pm

el-dr wrote:Sure you can. ... Uhmmm, wait a minute... How about this deal? My permission for a firmware update? :lol:

I've just posted a new firmware version.
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